Tim and Tom on The Tonight Show

Standing outside the door leading backstage at The Tonight Show, Tom looked at Tim and said, “Do you know how many times we tried to get here?”

“Well, we finally made it,” Tim said.

Over the years, Tom has appeared on the show dozens of times—both with Johnny Carson and Jay Leno—and Tim had been on several times himself. But as a team they could never quite make it. Their book describes in some detail the efforts they made, which included an all-night trip to New York on a Greyhound bus they made just to audition--they sat behind some nuns who farted the whole way--and how important an appearance on the show was to young comedians back in the 1970s.

“As soon as you told someone you were a comedian back then,” Tom says, “they’d say, ‘Oh, yeah? Have you ever been on The Tonight Show?’ If you hadn’t, you weren’t a comedian in their eyes.”

And now that they were there together, it was time for reflection. “It’s the same building, the hallways, the same rooms,” Tom said as he settled into his dressing room in NBC’s Burbank studios. “Johnny did the show on a different stage, across the hall from the one Jay uses, but nothing else has changed. The makeup room is the same one I sat in three times when they came in and told me I'd been bumped after Craig Tennis, who was in charge of booking the guests, saw me at The Comedy Store. Then one day Fred DeCordova, Johnny’s producer, came into the room and said, ‘I’ve got some bad news for you. You’re going on.’”

Tom went out that evening in 1975, broke up Carson and his audience with his monologue, was called back for another bow and woke up the next morning to find his life changed forever. He’s never been out of work since. Watching TV that night, Tim felt as if he had been kicked in the gut and realized he was going to have to make some changes in his life if his partner wasn’t going to leave him behind. Two years later of struggle and hard work later, he was Venus Flytrap on WKRP in Cincinnati and his life had changed irrevocably, too.

They walked out onto the set, sat down next to Cate Blanchett and traded jokes with Leno, who told his audience how funny their book was, how full of great stories about the early days in which they had all been struggling young comedians together. Watching all the fun they were having, you might almost think it was worth the wait.

Tim and Tom on the Election of Barack Obama and the Politics of Racial Humor

Tim and Tom reacted to the election of Barack Obama as president the way much of the rest of America did--with amazement and the feeling that it's about time. This proves we're not a racist country, Tom says, and while Tim doesn't go quite that far he agrees we've come a long way since the days at Norfolk State where he and a lot of other students risked their health and safety in the civil rights movement.
They also have some strong views on what the Obama family occupying the White House will do to racial humor. It's time to get past the old stereotypes, and the new ones, too, Tim told D.L. Hughley on his new CNN comedy show, time to cut down on the pointless profanity and the mindless denigrating of black women. Tim and Tom were so caught up in this topic, in fact, that they expounded on it in an article for the CNN.com Web site that drew a great deal of reaction. (To read the article click here.)
Tim and Tom also appeared recently on The Late, Late Show with Craig Ferguson, who reminded Tom during a break that they had met before, at a restaurant when Ferguson had just arrived in the country. Tom encouraged him and wished him luck. "That really made me feel good," Ferguson said. "I've never forgotten it."
Next up on the Tim and Tom publicity tour is a date with Jay Leno on The Tonight Show Dec. 5.

Three Thousand Italians Can't Be Wrong

Tim and Tom wound up an exciting weekend in the nation's capital Saturday night on the dais of the National Italian American Foundation's annual gala banquet at which Tom was the emcee.
"I'm making Tim an honorary Sicilian tonight," Tom told the audience, which included such heavy hitters as Rudy Giuliani, Nancy Pelosi, Samuel Alito, Barbara Sinatra, Gina Lollobrigida, Michael Andretti, Ray (Boom Boom) Mancini and many more. "Right now, his name is Tim Reidoni."
Earlier that day, Tim and Tom appeared at a booth at the NIAF trade show where they signed the book for a steady stream of customers, including Tom's old pal, Yogi Berra.
"To Yogi," they wrote. "Whenever we come to a fork in the road, we take it."
Soon, Berra became an impromptu salesman, telling everyone who asked if they could have their picture taken with him, "Sure. You want to buy a book?"
Tom also performed at a tribute to Frank Sinatra on Friday night and he and Tim appeared Thursday before an enthusiastic crowd of students at Tim's alma mater, Norfolk State University, and, later, at Vertigo Books in College Park, Maryland.
Then on Sunday, after four weeks on the road talking about their book, they headed home for some well-deserved rest. You'll still be able to see, hear and read about them in interviews they have given to many national media outlets and in December they'll be back in Chicago for a number of appearances, including one at the Chicago Southland Chamber of Commerce. We'll be back with more details soon.

Tim and Tom and Jay

They were having a meet-the-author session at a Borders store in Sherman Oaks, Calif., over the weekend when suddenly a celebrity roast broke out.
“I met Tom in Boston in 1969,” a voice shouted from the back of the room. “He was talking then and he’s talking now. I could hear him out in the parking lot.”
“Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce an old friend,” Tom said with a laugh. “Come on up here, Jay. Jay Leno, everyone.”
Carrying a travel bag containing the outfit he would wear during his stand-up routine in Las Vegas that evening, Leno grabbed the microphone and soon a sedate book discussion and signing became anything but.
“Don’t you ever get a chance to say anything, Tim” Leno told Tim. “I thought that was a cardboard cutout of you up here.”
Leno picked up a copy of the book and did a double-take—“Hey, what’s this?—when he saw David Letterman’s warm endorsement on the back cover.
"Dave bought two," Dreesen said.
"Then loan me 50 bucks," Leno replied as he handed Tom his book to sign. Then he turned to Tim and said, "Do you want to take advantage of this opportunity to say something?”
Laughing hard, Tim told how he and Tom first ran into Leno in the 1970s when Tim and Tom were working at the Boston Playboy Club. “He was wearing a three-piece suit and smoking a pipe and wearing a deerstalker cap and I thought, ‘Sherlock Holmes?’” Tim said. “Later, we were both offered a job at a place run by the mob in Washington. I took it and he didn’t. Tom was touring with Sammy Davis then and there I was working at a topless joint near the Pentagon.”
“I was so jealous,” Tom said.
At that moment, Tom saw Joe Mantegna, the celebrated actor and a long-time friend from Chicago who is now starring on television in “Criminal Minds,” in the crowd and invited him to say a few words, too.
“It’s a pleasure to be here with two old friends,” Mantegna said.
“They are old,” Leno said.
“But it’s great to see that they made it all the way to Sherman Oaks,” Mantegna said.
“This is the largest crowd Tim and Tom ever played before,” Leno said. “OK, I’ve got to go now. I’m at the Mirage tonight and you guys are here.”
Leno left the room to laughter and applause and then it was Gary Owens’ turn to take an impromptu turn.
“People don’t know what wonderful charity work Tim and Tom do,” said the veteran actor and radio personality who played the announcer on “Laugh-In.” “They raise money for the poverty-stricken people of Beverly Hills. The ones who live on Skid Drive.”
Steve Landesberg, who gained fame for his dead-on characterization of detective Arthur P. Dietrich on “Barney Miller,” also swapped stories with Tim and Tom as they signed books for members of the enthusiastic crowd. So did comedian Brad Sanders; John Romeo, who has been one of Leno’s writers for more than 15 years; his wife, Regina Ackerman, a production coordinator for “The Tonight Show,” and John Rappaport who was the supervising producer and head writer for “M*A*S*H” during the last four years of its run.
And thus ended a busy week in Los Angeles during which they taped “The Tavis Smiley Show” and “The Bonnie Hunt Show” and appeared in a wild and wacky discussion on Jamie Foxx’ X-rated “Foxxhole” on Sirius Radio. Next up is Norfolk next weekend where Tim and Tom will appear at Tim’s alma mater, Norfolk State University, on Thursday, Oct. 16, and Washington on Saturday where they will be on the dais at the National Italian-American Foundation banquet, which Tom will emcee. Leonardo DiCaprio and Gina Lollobrigida are among the honored guests, and Barack Obama and John McCain are expected as well. Wonder if they’ve read any good books lately?

Back to the Future

It was deju vu all over again as Tim and Tom stood outside the Laugh Factory on Sunset Boulevard, looking up at their names on the marquee before the first public appearance of their book tour in Los Angeles. So often during the years after their bitter breakup as a team they had polished their solo acts not far away at a similar club, the Comedy Store, that it was like a homecoming.
They had struggled so hard in those days and now they were here to reminisce before an audience of younger comedians, actors and writers and others in show business.
Tom couldn't help thinking of the days he had hitchhiked up and down Sunset Boulevard from his temporary home in an abandoned car in an alley just off the street. Or about the time he looked up at a billboard above Sunset and seen his name posted along with that of Sammy Davis Jr., heralding a performance at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. One day, he said, maybe he'd be looking up at another billboard--one advertising a movie made from their book, which has already received inquiries from several studios and producers.
Inside the club, they told many stories from the book, and some that aren't in it, about their experiences with Sammy Davis, Frank Sinatra, Jack Benny, Jonathan Winters and other show business greats.
"Sometimes, I feel like we're Forrest Gump," Tim said. "We didn't make history so much as we weaved through it."
Tim and Tom were delighted to be joined by Betty Garrett, the legendary star of stage and screen, who was soon to open in "Waiting in the Wings," Noel Coward's last play, at Theatre West just over the hill from the Laugh Factory.
"This book just blew me away," said Betty, who will become 90 years old next year and whose own show business career, which was filled with so many ups and downs, is chronicled in the book, "Betty Garrett and Other Songs."
Other appearances scheduled for Tim and Tom in Los Angeles are for "The Bonnie Hunt Show" and "The Tavis Smiley Show." Then it's off to Washington where on Oct. 18, they will be on the dais as Tom emcees the annual banquet of the National Italian American Foundation. Both Barack Obama and John McCain are scheduled to appear. What a photo-op that would be.

Tim and Tom Take Richmond

Tim and Tom appeared at perhaps the classiest venue of their tour so far Wednesday night, the elegant Library of Virginia near the state capitol in Richmond, where a crowd of about 75 people included Virginia Governor Tim Kaine and the legendary civil-rights activist State Senator Henry Marsh.

This was a homecoming for Tim, whose home and studio are located in nearby Petersburg, and who greeted many old friends invited by his wife, Daphne Maxwell-Reid, who worked so hard in putting the event together.

After signing books at a reception, Tim and Tom entertained the enthusiastic crowd for close to an hour, cracking people up with their by-now well-practiced back-and-forth banter about their days as the first, and last, black-and-white comedy team in the history of show business.

But for all the laughter they brought forth from the crowd, they were also questioned on some serious matters. How had they managed to stick together through all the adversity they encountered? someone asked. Maybe it was because they had both been so poor as children, Tom said. We found that we could survive together in a way we might not have been able to do individually.

What do you think of race relations in America today? another questioner wanted to know. It’s the elephant in the room, Tim said. We like to think we’re beyond the problems of the past, and we certainly have made progress, but they are still with us. As comedians, he said, they tried to use race as a vehicle to examine racial attitudes, rather than as simply the punch line to jokes. The audience nodded appreciatively.

Afterwards, Tim and Tom joined Daphne and a party that included Tim’s daughter Tori Reid for dinner at an Italian restaurant during which Tom deserted the table from time to time to see how his beloved Cubs were doing in the first game of the National League playoffs. He did his best not to allow the final score (Dodgers 7, Cubs 2) to ruin a memorable evening that was a highlight of their tour.

A Visit with David Letterman

The limo drove past the long line of people lined up for tickets outside the Ed Sullivan Theater on Broadway and turned in on 53^rd Street. Halfway down the block, a phalanx of photographers lined up against a metal barrier swung into action, firing off shot after shot as they pulled up. Fans shouted out their names, held up autograph books and took snapshots.

Tim and Tom signed and laughed and posed for pictures before going into the theater Tuesday night to prepare for their date with David Letterman. They ascended the elevator into the small dressing room that was a remnant of the era when the vintage theater played host to some of the biggest stars on Broadway before being turned into a television studio and the longtime home of The Ed Sullivan Show and The Honeymooners before being taken over by Late Night with David Letterman.

Tom has been on the show more than 50 times over the years and Tim once or twice, but this was their first time together and it would have been normal for them to feel a bit nervous, but they didn’t. Their many appearances in Chicago the week before had made them feel very much at ease as they played off each other and found their natural timing, and they exited studio after studio with thanks hearty handshakes from the producers and radio and TV hosts who were delighted with the laughter and touching stories they had offered from an important and fascinating show-business era.

After Letterman’s Top Ten list, and a visit from the lovely actress Julianne Moore, it was time for Tim and Tom to descend the elevator and make their way through the rear of the sound stage that is kept at an almost icy temperature at Letterman’s request. “I learned when I hosted the show once to dress warm,” Tom said. “You can freeze out there.”

And then, there they were, sitting next to Letterman, who warmly praised the book—“A fascinating, great, fun book to read…A great chronicle of the times and their careers”—and elicited some hilarious responses.

“Tom was my first white friend,” Tim said. “Everything I know about white people, I learned from Tom. It’s tragic.”

They also took the chance of using some of their edgiest material as Tom told the story of the night back in the 1970s when they were working on new routines and Tom said if Tim was heckled by a white member of the audience, he might say, “Hey, buddy, leave him alone. He’s mine. Go get your own. You know how hard they are to train.”

Letterman’s audience groaned as Tom said Reid pointed out that could be construed as racist and Tom abandoned the idea.

But that very night, before a black audience, Tom was heckled and Tim stepped forward to say, “Hey, brother, leave him alone. He’s mine. Go get your own. You know how hard they are to train.”

The audience erupted in laughter, just as Letterman’s audience did now in a moment of self-recognition.

“It’s all about context,” Tim says.

“He’s right,” Tom agreed. “It’s a lesson Charlie Chaplin taught us years ago. A pie in the face of the underdog isn’t funny. A pie in the face of a banker is funny.”

They said goodbye to their old pal and soon they were laughing about the fun they’d had over a bowls of soup and sandwiches the size of footballs at the Carnegie Deli. Their star turn on Broadway was over and they were back out on the road again.

(See Tim and Tom's appearance on Late Show with David Letterman on the See Tim and Tom Page on this blog.)

The Sidewalks of New York

They ran out of books at the Borders in the Loop before Tim and Tom even set foot in the place. They got a standing ovation at the Borders in Beverly on the South Side later that night. They signed and signed and signed at the Barnes and Noble in Naperville. They gave interviews by the dozen, were stopped on the street by fans and asked to pose for pictures up and down Michigan Avenue.

Tim walked out of a Starbucks one morning and looked down at his coffee cup. “I loved you in ‘Sister, Sister,’ the young woman behind the counter had written around the top of the cup.

So is it any wonder that Tim and Tom were a little reluctant to leave Chicago? But duty and David Letterman called, so here they are in the Big Apple where they’ll be on their old buddy’s show Tuesday night and give many other interviews as well as sign books at the Barnes and Noble in Lake Grove, Long Island on Wednesday, and the Barnes and Noble at Lincoln Center on Thursday.

But they still can’t get their reception in Chicago out of their minds. These were their first appearances together since their days as Tim and Tom and while they are no longer doing any of their old routines, they are working with each other as smoothly as ever.

“We really were the first black and white comedy team, you know,” Tim will say.

“Well, at least until McCain and Obama came along,” Tom will answer.

There have been some delightful surprises along the way, too. Vicky Serufka, the 13-year-old girl who attended one of the drug-education programs Tim and Tom put on in schools as members of the Jaycees in Harvey, Illinois, was in the crowd in Beverly and there were hugs all around. It was Vicky who first planted the idea of show business in their minds when, after the program in her elementary school, she said, “You guys are so funny. You ought to be comedians.”

And Tannmy Ruppel, who started the first Tom Dreesen fan club after Tim and Tom split up was in the crowd, too. “I once read a letter Tammy sent me on the Johnny Carson show, ” Tom says. "She wrote that things started slow with the fan club, but they were really going good now. They were up to six members, including my sister Margie."

But while their days in comedy and their solo careers fascinated the members of the audience, Tim and Tom were also delighted to see that wasn’t the only thing people wanted them to talk about. Their presence also generated conversation about the huge topic of race in America.

“Our generation failed,” Tim told the crowd in Beverly about overcoming racial strife and stereotypes. “We jumped into the drug culture, the sexual revolution and so on. This generation is different. Race doesn’t matter to them. They’ll marry whoever they want, they’ll eat with whoever they want and they’ll hate whoever they want. They don’t care.”

Many members of the crowd shook their heads in agreement, happy to see Tim and Tom together again and still provoking audiences to laughter and to thought.

At the Old Ballgame

For many years, Tom Dreesen has been one of those lucky Cubs fans who get to lead the faithful in singing “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” at Wrigley Field.

“Once, I threw 100 one-dollar bills into the crowd and shouted, ‘Have a beer on Harry Caray!’” Dreesen says. “The next day, some radio guy said I’d been throwing 20s and 50s, and sure enough, people started calling in saying they’d gotten one of the fifties. I wasn’t about to tell anyone I had been that charitable.”

Wednesday night, Dreesen was back at the ballpark where, after he had led the capacity crowd in the song as the Cubs played Milwaukee, he threw nothing more remarkable into the crowd than an autographed hat.

His partner Tim Reid looked on, and waved for the television camera when it was turned his way in the broadcast booth, as Dreesen chatted about their book with Pat Hughes and Ron Santo on the radio and Len Casper and Bob Brenly on television.

Tom told Hughes some stories from the book and riffed on his old pal Santo, whom he hopes will finally, finally, be voted into the baseball Hall of Fame this year. “It was so great to see Ron and his wife Vicky walking arm in arm down Michigan Avenue last night,” Tom said. “Of course, the reason he was holding onto her arm was so she couldn’t go into any of the stores.”

Santo turned out to be a big fan of WKRP in Cincinnati and he and Tim chatted about the show during a pitching change. Later on television, Brenly asked Tom if he and Tim really were the only black and white comedy team ever. “We were until McCain and Obama came along,” Tom said,

Tom was delighted to be able to say hello to his old pal Bob Uecker, the Brewers’ broadcaster with whom he was a guest on Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show a number of times. “Great guy,” Tom said of Uecker. “He was one of the few people who could crack Johnny up. He would just come unglued at some of the stuff Bob said.”

“Hey, I just saw you singing,” one Cubs fan yelled at Tom as he and Tim made their way down through the stands afterwards. “Who are you?”

“Brad Pitt,” Dreesen said.

“Wait, ‘Sister, Sister,’” a young woman shouted at Tim. “‘Venus Flytrap,’” said her father sitting next to her. “I can usually tell by their age which show they remember me from,” Tim said after posing for pictures with the Wrigley Field infield in the background with a number of young fans.

The only downside to the evening was the final score—Brewers 6, Cubs 2. “They’re still going to the World Series,” Tom said. “Just once, I’d like to sing during the seventh-inning stretch while that was going on.”

Oh, What a Night

Tim and Tom had a ball at Gibsons Steakhouse, which once housed the great Chicago nightclub Mr. Kelly’s where they performed in the 70s, as they formally celebrated the publication of the book Monday night.

Did we say formally? Not exactly.

“I didn’t know Tom knew how to write,” Dennis Farina, the one-time Chicago cop and long-time friend who went on to a formidable career in the movies and on television, told the crowd of more than 100. “On the other hand, I don’t know how to read. I understand there are a lot of pictures in the book. And all these years, I thought Tom was the black guy."

Tim and Tom howled with laughter and Tom grabbed the mike, but just at that moment he had to give it up to a higher authority.

“This is an American story,” Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley told the gathering of Tim’s and Tom’s story. “It’s important to tell it to future generations. And comedy is so important in bringing people together.”

Tim and Tom were delighted that the mayor came, and that he stayed for quite some time chatting with members of the audience and enjoying the festivities, but they were equally delighted to see so many old friends, including two members of the Bears’ only Super Bowl champions, Tim Wrightman and Tom Thayer.

Tim and Tom got into the spirit of the occasion, too, as some of Chicago’s top journalists and a couple of television crews looked on.

“Tim came on board to write this book because he thinks he might make some money,” Tom said, ribbing his old pal and partner.

“The saddest part of this whole thing is that if they make a movie of the book, I’m too old to play me,” Tim said to gales of laughter.

“How about getting together again and going on the road?” somebody called up from the crowd.
“Oh, no,” Tom said. “I’m not splitting that check again.”

The evening was not without its commercial aspects as more than 120 books were sold, making it a clean sweep for the day. Earlier, at a Union League Club of Chicago luncheon, they sold out of the supply of books on hand and had to autographs slips to be pasted into books that would be give to customers at a later date.

All in all, it was a great kickoff to the month-long publicity tour they have embarked on, one that will see them give close to a score of interviews and make many appearances during their week in the town where it all began for them.

Their Kind of Town

Chicago is where it all began for Tim and Tom—the city’s support was crucial to their development as comedians during the five years of their partnership—so it’s only fitting that they should kick off their month-long, coast-to-coast publicity tour there next week. And once again, Chicago is opening its arms wide to them.

Tim and Tom will conduct more than a dozen radio and TV interviews, sign books at three area stores, appear at a Union League Club of Chicago Authors Lunch, attend a publication party at Gibsons Steakhouse, sing “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” during the seventh-inning stretch of the Cubs’ game against the Brewers Wednesday night and help dedicate CBS’ new studios on Sept. 23 before flying off to New York. (Check Appearances on their Web site for the full schedule.)

In the meantime, they’re beginning to see the results of some of the interviews they’ve already given. Don’t miss their appearance on the Tom Joyner Show on the Hear Tim and Tom link on the Web site. It’s a riot.

We’ll be filing regular reports as Tim and Tom take to the road one more time. Be sure to check back often to keep up with their adventures.

The Fun Begins

Hot-off-the-press copies of Tim and Tom: An American Comedy in Black and White have just shown up at the authors' doors, and though the official publication date is still more than two weeks away, they will be appearing in bookstores shortly. Tim and Tom have been gratified by the early buzz in the press and by the enthusiastic reaction from people in the entertainment business who read advance copies. When so many tough critics tell you the book made them laugh out loud and shed real tears, you know you've accomplished what you set out to do.

Tim and Tom have been conducting dozens of interviews and you'll be seeing and hearing the results soon. Already, the book has been featured in an item in Page Six of the New York Post and Stella Foster's column in the Chicago Sun-Times, and next week the Chicago Reader will run a lengthy excerpt of some of its A material. Coming up are appearances on Tom Joyner's radio show, David Letterman's and Tavis Smiley's television shows and many more. Check the Appearances link on the Web site to see when Tim and Tom will be at an event near you.

We hope you'll enjoy checking out the various features of the Web site, and offer our thanks to Rebecca Rapoport for all her hard work designing it. Don't miss the vintage recordings of some classic Tim and Tom routines. They'll soon be available on brand new CDs along with autographed copies of the book at the Tim & Tom Store link. If you have any comments on the book, or want to leave a message for Tim and Tom, this blog is the place to do it. And check back often for updates. When Tim and Tom hit the road for their publicity tour that begins Sept. 15 in Chicago, we'll be filing regular reports.